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In my flying club, no one solo's until they have passed the written. You have no business being PIC, until you understand the terminology and procedures required to do so.

If a controller can't talk the way a pilot needs to think, he needs to find someone else to talk instead. Landing in the trees demonstrates ignorance about energy management and spatial awareness. She deserved better. Help her identify the field faster, setup speed and base better.

I think this student did an EXCELLENT job and glad she's ok. Other pilot did good too. Biggest error here was on the controllers part for sure. My thought is to always aim no closer than 1/3 runway length past the threshold... much better to land and run off the other end rather than coming up short. Josh, your words are a great lesson for everyone... soon as your mayday call comes out of your mouth ask for vectors at the same time if that's what you need.

Can we like require all General Aviation pilots who want to fly a big heavy metal plane, to go to Glider School? Glider pilots land their plane just about every single time with no engine at all... and have no problem doing so. On an airplane, you are suppose to fly the wing, not the engine. If you got wings, there is no excuse for you panicing. Now, I'm a quadcopter pilot, we fly the engine 100% of the time, because there are no wings, it's all engine. General aviation pilots I think are the worst pilots ever... they have to learn all this other rubbish navigating air space, and never learn to fly the play beyond take off, landing, and holding the wings straight. And this is 100% the FAA's fault for carving up maps with a million lines and borders and rules. Class D airspace. WTF? It's all air. There are no lines in the sky.

She got there but didnt know how to set up over it. That is a critical skill. If you are directly over the field and too high, not everyone knows to try another circle or half circle.

Law of the Tail: Head Falls Tail Rises Interestingly, Paralleling the Desired Course is not needed. Navigating on an inbound bearing: Locate Desired Course move toward the Head of needle then go past the Head an equal amount to the Intercept Heading (D.H.I) Turn the aircraft to the Intercept Heading. Then wait for the Head to Fall to the Desired Course, turn on Course. Navigating on an outbound bearing: Locate the Tail then continue to the Desired Bearing continue an equal amount to an intercept Heading (T.D.I) Turn the aircraft to the Intercept Heading and wait for the tail to rise to the Desired Outbound Bearing, turn on course

“At your right two o’clock” is a vector.

I talk to the Bradley guys all the time and they have been very good. I think student and ATC did a good job.

Please teach new pilots to solve the landing problem with the radio off. This will save their life.

“Judy” is a wonderful word. It is defined abbreviated communication within military aviation for “shut-up” and is intended for the context of I need my capacity inside my cockpit to ‘kill the snakes.’

Hey, I recognize her voice I’ve been in the pattern at Poughkeepsie before with her. Her voices in one of my videos.

Very critical of ATC, needlessly so. They're already overworked and now they're being criticized for not landing the pilot's airplane for them This controller did such an amazing job with vectors, pointing out where airfield was and reminding the student to trim for best glide I notice absolutely no criticism for the CFI who signed her off or the flight school that didn't care to maintain the damn airplane properly

I wish the controler had said it is a grass strip early on and made sure she was looking for a grass strip not a big airport.

Aside from the landing she did fine and didn't sound especially panicked which is what I would be.

I suspect she wasn't expecting a grass strip and that's why she was having trouble identifying it at first.

I’ve played through engine out in a PC sim. (Started with very little fuel, then didn’t look at the gauge so I’d get a surprise engine out randomly at some point.) I’ve made the classic screw up of gliding to an airport then screwing up the approach and coming up short of the runway. I now know to get above the runway and gently spiral down. Never go away from the airport.

What are the procedures when flying above clouds or at night in terms of always having an emergency landing spot in view?

So glad she is ok. Hopefully she has not been scared off from continuing with her flying. Cheers.

This student pilot has a wonderfully clear, quick radio voice. It’s really great! (I’m kind of jealous.) I hope her accident doesn’t put her off flying. This incident certainly shows the value of having a Garmin system with SmartGlide. Much of the communication and guesswork could have been eliminated.

Pilots should know all the time where the closest airport is. What if you’re not talking to ATC

I think your analysis makes total sense. Thanks so much

You are being really unfair to that controller, IMO. I think everyone did about as well as can be expected under the circumstances. The first call from the student was for engine trouble, the call for engine failure was the second call after Mayday. Perfectly fair for the controller to ask if she can make the airport, I am not sure if you expect them to know the glide range for all planes or you think the closes grass strip is the best option for controllers whenever they here a mayday or maybe something different. I guess he could have offered multiple options, but that likely would just lead to more confusion. I have only been a PPL student pilot once (obviously) , but before I solo'ed I knew what runway numbers meant, not sure how I would judge my takeoff crosswind minimums or wind in general without knowing that fact. I would go so far as to say it would be irresponsible to send a student up by themselves that did not have this information. She had 2200 feet when she made that field, she just did not see it, tough spot for anyone to be in trying to land on an unfamiliar grass strip like that under pressure.

One thing my instructor thought me was to say 3 Fs before the may day call. It calms you down and slows down the mayday part. He stressed that the controller is also going to panic a bit too and you can definitely hear that here. I feel the controller heard the pilot say she was a little panic'd and tried to help talk to her. Not all was useful or good, and hindsight is always better, but unlike us pilots, controllers can't really do many engine out drills.

"Im not trying to throw this controller under the bus, but Im going to throw this controller undwr the bus."

She did amazing

such a inspiration!🤩

He climbed to aggressive.

He actaully turned into the spin at one point speeding the spin up.

The pilot claimed to be panicked, but demonstrated to be sharp and capable of dealing with a rough situation. It's hard enough to have a genuine emergency but even harder with all the suggestions/chatter.

I got to think. Maybe this is a seasoned ATC, and when things get urgent he needs to acclimate to the particular situation, but he is fighting primacy, which in the back of his mind initially distracts him, that "usually some thrust remains". It was the 4:47 "... student pilot solo lost *an* engine" that prompted me to think that. To his credit, it appears from the recording (unless it was edited for silence) that the time from "negative, the engine is off" to "Waterbury is just behind you" is very prompt. Also consider, if the situation had been that the pilot estimated to be able to reach Robertson, it could have been a major disservice to suggest a 2000ft runway behind her. In that case it would be best to get the pilot's assessment of the situation first. I guess the tasks for pilot and ATC were just difficult right from the get-go.

Jason why do we need ATC TO GIVE US A VECTOR to an airport? The IPad or GPS can give it to you with a punch of a button. Make that part of your engine out memory items. Thoughts please.❤🇺🇸👍🙏🏻😀 love your videos Jason.

she declared mayday with engine issue, engine failure was later, big airport with paved runway make sense, but with that should be information on closest runway too, right after talking about engine issue, even before mayday.

She done well!!

Excellent breakdown with some key take away points. Must be those Finer points 😝. Thanks for the explanation. I will say though. Any student should understand the runway heading description if they are in the air soloing they should know what one seven three five means but he could have added a few key words like runway headings such and such and even throw in the general direction N/S like you said.

7:46 I'm a virtural Pilot and avation fan both of nearly 30 years and I thought he meant length... Like "can you land on this long of runway?" Instead of the runway number which to my knowledge and I could be very wrong but normally only given out as a ATC as a single up to 3 diget number for what end to land on not using it for oretation.

I think if I was the pilot of 12180 I would have quickly landed to try and help her.

Would be interesting to know if she was using a tool like foreflight during her cross country. This would have told her where the nearest airport is. Counting on ATC to do anything except get rescue to you when you get on the ground is a mistake. Anyone know what caused the engine failure?

Awesome coverage and expert thoughts on this accident. Thanks for helping make the aviation community safer, Jason. Excellent point of view.

Great debrief! Great video!

Always have an engine failure plan. In cruise that's my main activity, my emergency checklist is out, and I'm monitoring my engine, nearest airports, and scanning for off airport landing spots when outside of glide range of a field. In my opinion, instructors don't teach these habits enough.

After on course to nearest airport The controller should have offered her to get on best glide, stabilize, then ask if the prop is windmilling, if yes then. switch tanks, full rich mixture, fuel pump on and try for a restart. CFI's this should be taught "before solo". She had 5000' to work things out, was in a panic mindset, and needed this kind of "action-prompting" help. Best glide towards a landing area, stabilize, work viable options out. If the engine wasn't seized then the above, If the engine is seized then fuel off, fuel pump off. Also when power off training do it with one notch of flaps to assimilate a "real world" non-idling engine glide slope. Glad she was safe.

On my discovery flight, I was very comfortable flying the plane due to around 15 years of home simming experience. My CFI decided I was ready for a simulated engine failure, briefed me and got my consent, and pulled the throttle. I chose a landing field about two miles away to which he asked if I was sure it was the best spot to land. I replied that yes, it looked like the flattest area near our location. My CFI then asked me to bank left and look straight down out of the side window… at which point I realized Rio Vista airport was directly beneath us. 😂 After that “DOI” moment, I was able to successfully maneuver for a simulated emergency landing and my CFI explained that while the field probably would have also been fine I should always be fully aware of my position and environment. Invaluable lesson on my discovery flight! Glad this pilot survived. When the controller asked if she was able to maintain altitude and she responded with her tail number I could easily see how he may have taken that as an “affirmative” response, at which point he may have tried to get her over to an airport with a paved runway assuming she could maintain altitude as a student pilot, versus trying to have her perform a soft field landing at a grass field. I agree that the closer airport should have been the better choice regardless, but just offering an opinion on a potential thought process.

It needs to be stressed that your aiming point for an engine out landing should not be at the end of the runway like normal landings. Aim ⅓ or ½ way up the runway in case you misjudge your airspeed. You can always slip if needed. My instructor taught me to do an engine out landing every third landing. Practice prevents panic.

I am happy she is alive. I am ALWAYS looking for a spot to land.

This is why I teach my student pilots the Power Off 180 to a landing. Most instructors teach only the process as a student pilot but never actually take it to a landing. She did great otherwise and has posted updates on TikTok.

I love this!! My passion was always to be a pilot!!! I took 7 lessons but had to stop them. It’s been over a year and I haven’t went back for fear of this exact video but u explained it so well all off it clicked/resonated with me. You just inspired me to give it another try ❤

What a great learning tool. Your reaction to vid was awesome. As a pilot I hope that I learn more knowledge incase this happens to me one day. Thank You!

3:14 I experienced exactly this amount of wake from an A320 in the exact same point at the same field this week! SNA's runways are very close together and we even fly a 15 degree offset final because of it. I've never seen my instructor push power and carb heat in together so quickly, he basically punched the panel. I have learned over time to religiously watch where landing jets touch down at along the runway and if it's late, I just go around. 3 extra minutes in the pattern is a small cost to avoid death

Scientific method is something that I will use always.

I fly a cessna 150. I wonder on initial climeout at 400ft and engine out , how's it fly ? I guess not good ? 😊